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    <pubDate>Sat, 04 Feb 2023 21:41:47 +0000</pubDate>
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    <content:encoded><![CDATA[<div class="text" style="font-family:monospace;"><ol><li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&lt;p&gt;Open-source tools based on LLVM that target rich software platforms such as Linux are in widespread use. A large proportion of the investment in upstream LLVM development is targeted at this use case. There is much less use of open-source C/C++ toolchains for embedded software development, with GCC toolchains being dominant. This can be explained by a number of factors:</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Assembling an embedded toolchain is complicated, due to cross-compilation and missing components such as the C-library.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Differences in the toolchain interface and missing functionality compared to GCC.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Code-size and performance gaps on embedded targets.&lt;/p&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&lt;p&gt;There are efforts in the LLVM community to improve the suitability for embedded software development. This presentation will cover some of the gaps and what we are trying to do to fill them. Specifically:</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Hosted versus embedded toolchains.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Why do we want to use LLVM for an embedded toolchain?</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* What components make up an embedded toolchain, and which of these can be supplied by the LLVM project.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* The LLVM bare metal driver.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* A comparison of a LLVM based toolchain against an equivalent GNU toolchain.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Work that is being done in the community to improve embedded development.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* How to get involved!&lt;/p&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&lt;p&gt;The presentation does not require any in depth knowledge of LLVM or compilers. An awareness of the components of a toolchain such as compiler, linker and libraries will be helpful. The toolchains used for comparison are the LLVM Embedded Toolchain for Arm and the GNU Arm Embedded Toolchain.&lt;/p&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&lt;p&gt;Details of LLVM community meet-ups, including the Monthly LLVM Embedded Toolchains call are available at https://llvm.org/docs/GettingInvolved.html&lt;/p&gt;</div></li>
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<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;event id=&quot;14670&quot;&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;start&gt;18:25&lt;/start&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;duration&gt;00:30&lt;/duration&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;room&gt;AW1.120&lt;/room&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;slug&gt;llvmembedded&lt;/slug&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;title&gt;Open source C/C++ embedded toolchains using LLVM&lt;/title&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;subtitle/&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;track&gt;LLVM&lt;/track&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;type&gt;devroom&lt;/type&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;language/&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;abstract&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Open-source tools based on LLVM that target rich software platforms such as Linux are in widespread use. A large proportion of the investment in upstream LLVM development is targeted at this use case. There is much less use of open-source C/C++ toolchains for embedded software development, with GCC toolchains being dominant. This can be explained by a number of factors:</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Assembling an embedded toolchain is complicated, due to cross-compilation and missing components such as the C-library.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Differences in the toolchain interface and missing functionality compared to GCC.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Code-size and performance gaps on embedded targets.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;There are efforts in the LLVM community to improve the suitability for embedded software development. This presentation will cover some of the gaps and what we are trying to do to fill them. Specifically:</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Hosted versus embedded toolchains.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Why do we want to use LLVM for an embedded toolchain?</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* What components make up an embedded toolchain, and which of these can be supplied by the LLVM project.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* The LLVM bare metal driver.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* A comparison of a LLVM based toolchain against an equivalent GNU toolchain.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* Work that is being done in the community to improve embedded development.</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">* How to get involved!&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/abstract&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;description&gt;&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;The presentation does not require any in depth knowledge of LLVM or compilers. An awareness of the components of a toolchain such as compiler, linker and libraries will be helpful. The toolchains used for comparison are the LLVM Embedded Toolchain for Arm and the GNU Arm Embedded Toolchain.&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&amp;lt;p&amp;gt;Details of LLVM community meet-ups, including the Monthly LLVM Embedded Toolchains call are available at https://llvm.org/docs/GettingInvolved.html&amp;lt;/p&amp;gt;&lt;/description&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;persons&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;person id=&quot;4378&quot;&gt;Peter Smith&lt;/person&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;/persons&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;attachments&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;attachment type=&quot;slides&quot; href=&quot;https://fosdem.org/2023/schedule/event/llvmembedded/attachments/slides/5478/export/events/attachments/llvmembedded/slides/5478/OpenSourceEmbedded2023&quot;&gt;Open Source C++ embedded toolchains using LLVM slides&lt;/attachment&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;/attachments&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;links&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;link href=&quot;https://live.fosdem.org/watch/aw1120&quot;&gt;Live video stream from the room (during event)&lt;/link&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;link href=&quot;https://chat.fosdem.org/#/room/#2023-aw1.120:fosdem.org&quot;&gt;Chat room (web)&lt;/link&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;link href=&quot;https://matrix.to/#/#2023-aw1.120:fosdem.org?web-instance[element.io]=chat.fosdem.org&quot;&gt;Chat room (app)&lt;/link&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;link href=&quot;https://submission.fosdem.org/feedback/14670.php&quot;&gt;Submit feedback&lt;/link&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;/links&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &lt;/event&gt;</div></li>
<li style="font-weight: normal; vertical-align:top;"><div style="font: normal normal 1em/1.2em monospace; margin:0; padding:0; background:none; vertical-align:top;">&nbsp;</div></li>
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